Za ateiste, da se malo zamislijo
Učiteljica ( koja nije kršćanin) je pitala razred:
Učiteljica: Možete li vidjeti Isusa?
Razred: Ne.
Učiteljica: Možete li dodirnuti Isusa?
Razred: Ne.
… Učiteljica: Onda Isus ne postoji!!!
Jedan učenik diže ruku i pita:
Učenik: Možete li vidjeti svoj mozak?
Učiteljica: Ne.
Učenik: Možete li dodirnuti svoj mozak?
Učiteljica: Ne.
Učenik: Dobro, onda vi nemate mozga!!!
Stavi ovo na svoj zid ako se ne sramite sto ste KRŠĆANIN ♥
Mislim, da tukaj vsi malo tolčete mimo, kar zadeva uvodni zapis.
Isus, torej Jezus, je bil resnična, zgodovinska oseba. Glede tega ne bi smelo obstajat dilem ne pri vernih ne pri ateistih. Če imajo možgane.
Če ste pa mislili odpret debato o obstoju Boga, ali pa debato ali Jezus je ali ni Bog, je pa to nekaj čisto drugega. 🙂
Pa nikar se ne počutite preveč vzvišene, če niste verni. Zaradi tega ni vaš iq nič višji. Bojda na svetu ne obstaja noben pravi ateist. Vsi verjame(m)jo v “nekaj”.
sam kot ateist si razlagam vero po svoje. sicer pa nisem agnostik 🙂
no glede jezusa, če smo si čisto odkriti, ubistvu nimamo nikakršnega dokaza da je res obstajal, razen tega da je omenjen v svetem pismu…
torej bi prosil če mi lahko ti kot vernik daš kakršenkoli dokaz da je res obstajal.
sicer pa je tudi uvodni zapis zmanipuliran v prid vernikov… in vzet iz spodnjega teksta:
The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand
‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?’
‘Yes sir,’ the student says.
‘So you believe in God’
‘Absolutely.’
‘Is God good?’
‘Sure! God’s good.’
‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’
‘Yes’
‘Are you good or evil?’
‘The Bible says I’m evil.’
The professor grins knowingly.
‘Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment. ‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’
‘Yes sir, I would.’
‘So you’re good…!’
‘I wouldn’t say that.’
‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?’
The student remains silent.
‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
‘Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?’
‘Er…yes,’ the student says.
‘Is Satan good?’
The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’
‘Then where does Satan come from?’
The student falters. ‘From God’
‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?’
‘Yes, sir.’
‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’
‘Yes’
‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’
Again, the student has no answer. ‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’
The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’
‘So who created them?’
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them?’ There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. ‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’
The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.’
The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’
‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him.’
‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’
‘No, sir, I have not.’
‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’
‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’
‘Yet you still believe in him?’
‘Yes’
‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’
‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’
‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’
‘And is there such a thing as cold?’
‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’
‘No sir, there isn’t.’
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.’
‘Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’
‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’
‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.’
‘In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’
‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’
The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’
‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.
It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’
‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’
‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.’
‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’
The student looks around the room. ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’ The class breaks out into laughter.
‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.’
‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’
‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’
Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it everyday It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’
To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’
The professor sat down.
Čudim se da nekateri še danes to zanikajo,kljub vsem tem kar se danes dogaja,če ne verjamete v Boga torej človeka z moralo,ali verjamete v hudiča ki ga je prav tako vse posvod okoli nas.Brez vere ni upanja.Jezus je samo primer kaj lahko človek človeku nardi ko nima nobene morale,ovčice ste tisti ki ne verjameta v nič in temu slepo sledite.Dobro in zlo obstaja,jaz verjamem v dobro in vsak poskus nekoga da delam zločinsko ne sprejemem.Eni imajo privilegirane penzije,ker si si jih zaslužili,tisti ki so gradili Stožice nimajo niti za kruh,tako ovčice ki temu slepo sledite in verjamete.
Človek z moralo ni Bog -in slabo, ki je povsod okoli nas, -ni Satan.:) “Dobro in slabo” je obstajalo vedno, tudi ko človeka sploh še ni bilo. Živali so morile svoje lastne mladiče, predator je napadel in ubil novorojenega mladiča, ki nikomur ni naredil nič žalega, živali so umirale v mukah zaradi poškodb, napadalec je ubil nemočno žrtev, čeprav več ni bil lačen, pač pa se je z njo le poigraval, jo pohabil in na koncu pustil umreti v mukah…. Danes ravno tako obstaja dobro in slabo in bo obstajalo do konca sveta. To ni ne hudič in ne bog, je pač naravna posledica življenja, ki prinaša s seboj sebičnost, neempatičnost, ljubosumje… prav tako kot empatijo, sočutje in željo po pomoči.
Da temu verniki pravite Bog in Hudič, je samo posledica reklame, ki sta jih ta dva imela skozi zgodovino, vendar pa je oboje le beseda, ki zaznamuje čisto človeške lastnosti.
Bedarija. Možgani seveda fizično obstajajo in na ultrazvoku lahko vidiš svoje možgane, prav tako na obdukcijah lahko vidiš možgane mrtveca. Ravno tako se lahko meri aktivnost možganov, električni impulzi ipd. Vic je kre.tenizem in ničesar ne dokazuje, hkrati pa popolnoma napačno nanašanje na Jezusa. Vprašanje bi se moralo glasiti na Boga.
In spet, totlana k.retenija, saj profesorjevih možganov res ne moreš dotakniti, zavohati in začutiti, ker so v lobanji. Lahko pa se jih vidi na UZ, lahko se meri njihova aktivnost v budnem stanju in v spanju, lahko se izmeri REM faza spanja, ugotavlja, ali so na njih bolezenske spremembe ipd., torej se da čisto znanstveno ugotoviti, da možgani obstajajo. Blesarija, ki bi jo lahko vsaj dodelali, če že z njo operirajo. Prav tako kot zgoraj povedo, da ne obstaja tema, pač pa samo odsotnost svetlobe. Ni res, ne obstaja definicija teme, kot naj bi jo definiral človek, ker je pač definicijo naredil tako, da naj bi bila tema odsotnost svetlobe. Vendar pa tema (pa čeprav samo kot odsotnost svetlobe) obstaja, lahko se jo občuti, vidi se jo pač kot popolno odsotnost svetlobe, obstajajo manjše in večje variacije teme, pač glede na količino svetlobe, ki jo še ima.
Skratka, poigravanje z besedami in terminologijo. Nič novega, kristjani bi pač na vse kriplje hoteli dokazati, da tudi druge stvari v življenju niso dokazljive, pa vseeno verjamemo vanje. Vendar pa so spregledali bistvo. O teh zadevah, o katerih hočejo pametovati, obstajajo neizpodbitni dokazi, samo terminologija dopušča manipulacije, o nekem bogu, ki da je ustvaril svet in čaka naše duše po smrti pa je ravno toliko dokazov kot o malih zelenih možicih z Marsa. Seveda ne moremo dokazati niti tega, da zeleni možici na Marsu ne obstajajo. No, na tej ravni je dokazovanje o obstoju boga.
Bog dela čudeže! Samo Bog po njegovem sinu Jezusu Kristusu!
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